Faces East

John Larsen · Joined: 12 Jan 2010 Posts: 3

Please check out the interview at:

http://mormonexpression.com/?p=514

Special thanks to Brian, Charlene, and Kristene who participated.

pinkpatent · Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 295

Yay! Another podcast with Faces East people! I have been waiting for this.
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My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night;
But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends-
It gives a lovely light!

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Sunshine Dore · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject:

It was so fun hearing your voices! I've heard most of your stories before, but it's a whole new experience listening rather than reading. You guys are so articulate, I'm jealous! I loved the podcast. I think you could easily do several more on this topic.

pinkpatent · Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 295

Just finished listening to it. Great job everyone! I wish we could have a Faces East retreat somewhere so we could all meet each other.
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My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night;
But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends-
It gives a lovely light!

Edna St. Vincent Millay

prairie chuck · Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 804

Rosie the Riveter · Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 180

I will be in the Salt Lake valley next Thursday through Sunday (March 18-21). Anyone want to get together at all? Please don't be shy---I'd love to meet whoever lives up there! I'm coming up from southern California for my daughter's wedding in the Jordan River temple.

Let me know!
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Rosie the Riveter · Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 180

EXCELLENT INTERVIEW! I just listened to it and hung on every word! You three are so eloquent and represent us and our situations so well. While we obviously aren't all the same, there are so many things we have in common. It's wonderful to have a voice (or voices, in this instance!) out there on the web where -- hopefully -- those who will benefit from associating with us will find us.

I love you guys!
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brianj · Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 342 Location: Washington, DC

I just finished listening to it. It turned out very nice.
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mommaBear · Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 179 Location: heber city

Rosie -- My DH is out of town until Friday night so I could get together for lunch, maybe. But I live up in Heber - wanna meet half-way in Park City?

And a retreat sounds like lots of fun -- just gotta wait until DD is potty trained.
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RedWaiting · Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Utah

This podcast was wonderful! It is interesting to see the similarities and differences between my situation and those of you on there. It is good to know that things CAN be worked out and staying together is a possibility. I just wish there were more because the subjects were very briefly touched on. Thankfully, this site exists so I can get info in another format.

Heartbeat · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:45 pm Post subject:

I chime in for more detailed podcasts. The comments are interesting to me, and I wish we would hear from more of the people that have listened.

I sent an email out to several friends and family members telling them about it, and that I would like them to listen. Only my SiL has said that she heard it, and not the full thing. Oddly enough, her comment was that she thought I made a lot of really good points, but now she feels like she knows too much -- more than she should/wanted to know. She is DH's sister, and I understood from him that he has talked to her quite a bit about his disaffection. And she didn't even hear the whole thing.

I think his Mom is going to listen to it... maybe. I wonder what she will think of it. DH said he has talked with her, but again, I am left to wonder, how much?

prairie chuck · Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 804

I think a lot of what families call "talking to each other" is usually "talking to each other with a huge history." I noticed in dh's family that siblings and parents would say things that just stunned me and then I was even more surprised at dh's response--it's like he didn't even hear what they said. Well, he heard it but since he'd been hearing this flavor of stuff for decades, he didn't "hear" it--do you know what I mean? IOW, I think they hear what they think they already know about that person and they answer with the same answers of a lifetime of history between them.

So in some ways, at least in dh's family, I've been the one that has finally gotten them to "hear" their son/brother. I said it in a way that they finally got it. There've been 3-4 times where I saw the light go off, they finally understood. One time dh's older brother said exactly that "Thank you--now I finally understand." I wanted to say "well, duh. He's only been saying this like TWO THOUSAND TIMES!" But I just smiled and said "I'm glad."

So it's probably good if they listen to the podcast and hear it coming from you. They might "get it."

Last night it occured to me: I think we should pm John Larson some specific questions that we (or others) would like to hear addressed. Instead of a podcast that is musings and conversation, have one that answers or addresses some of the more difficult or frequent questions. I think 3-5 questions would make a good podcast, so if we each had 2-3 questions, that'd be enough to keep him busy.
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John Larsen · Joined: 12 Jan 2010 Posts: 3

prairie chuck: I like the idea.

After the podcast we discussed a possible follow up. What I would really like see happen is to have two couples on. Each couple should have a believer and an ex-believer. We can then focus on the successful strategies they use to make their marriage work. Not so much a reflection on their personal stories, but what works and doesn't work in such a relationship.

Volunteers?

tiffrose · Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Posts: 141 Location: UT

I I found Penny's perspective interesting in the responses to the podcast. She left her first husband because he left the church then her 2nd husband left her because she left the church. Wow, there is no better way to see both sides than to have experienced them both. But she also says the TBM has god on their side, doesn't the NOM also believe they are doing what is right? So essentially they both have God on their side?

Sunshine Dore · Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject:

My husband (Saganist on NOM) asked me a while back ago if I'd be willing to do something like this and I told him no, but after hearing what the last podcast was like I think I would be willing, especially if I knew before hand what kind of questions I'd be asked so I can have my thoughts in order. It's been almost 3 years since he told me of his disaffection, and even though we still have some issues, and definitely some rough times at the beginning, I consider ourselves a success story. Our relationship is strong and we are very committed to each other.

Edited to add: Here's a link to the introduction I posted a few years ago, it explains my story a little more:
http://www.faceseast.org/viewtopic.php?t=55